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Old 21-03-17, 12:16 PM   #11
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From the Govt website:

Licences issued from 1 January 1997
If you passed your car driving test on or after 1 January 1997 you can:

Drive a car or van up to 3,500kg maximum authorised mass (MAM) towing a trailer of up to 750kg MAM

Tow a trailer over 750kg MAM as long as the combined MAM of the trailer and towing vehicle is no more than 3,500kg

That simply states the obvious, but it isn't anywhere else that I could find.

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Old 21-03-17, 12:18 PM   #12
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I think it would be a particularly bloody-minded traffic cop (or a certain camping stove collector ) to enforce the letter of the law on that one Steve.

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The thing that bugs me about this is that (in practical terms) the rules can only be applied to perfectly good, professionally manufactured, probably type-approved trailers.

Tow a type-approved 500kg trailer behind Ollie's car, and it may be illegal. Tow some complete piece of junk, made from an antique caravan chassis, and the DVSA will have to drag you to a weigh bridge to prove you're over. I know which one I would rather see off the road...

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Old 21-03-17, 03:43 PM   #13
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Also remember that that limit is the gross weight stated on the trailer plate so you would be technically illegal even with an empty 500kg trailer!

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I was led to believe that the law has or is changing in regards to this, I will reply once I have some evidence one way or another,

This I was informed by a driving instructor who also carries out the trailer test.

Just to confirm the old law stated that you could not tow a trailer stamped with a capacity over the vehicles max towing capacity even if it was empty.

I tried to put that in my terms hope it makes sence.

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Old 21-03-17, 03:59 PM   #14
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From the NTTA: http://www.ntta.co.uk/faq

You can tow a maximum of 750 Kg with an unbraked trailer but you cannot exceed half the kerb weight of the towing vehicle.

You can tow a trailer with a Gross Weight higher than your carís towing limit as long as you only load it up to that limit.

It is illegal to exceed the carís towing li
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Old 21-03-17, 04:23 PM   #15
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It'll all be so much better when the rule book is thrown away after brexit - and cheery bobbies will ride about on bicycles saying "mind how you go sir" as we drive our T series MG Midgets (with trailer) serenely along traffic free roads in a perpetual perfect English summer's day.

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Old 21-03-17, 07:04 PM   #16
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FOUND IT!!!!!!! Search "Gov.uk Towing a trailer with a car or van, the basics" then read section 1 paragraph 3, which clearly states:-

"Where the sum of the maximum plated weights of the towing vehicle and of the trailer added together exceed the GCW of the towing vehicle, THIS IS NOT A PROBLEM AS LONG AS THE "ACTUAL" WEIGHTS OF THE VEHICLE AND TRAILER (which may not be fully laden at the time) DO NOT EXCEED THE GCW.

Hope that clears things up a bit!!
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Old 21-03-17, 07:15 PM   #17
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GCW, gross combined weight - is that what used to be gross train weight?

Anyway, it does look like that clears it up and I was wrong to assert that what matters is the plated, rather than actual trailer weight.

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Old 21-03-17, 07:27 PM   #18
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Yes Nick, they mean the same thing, though I tend to associate GTW with commercials.
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Old 21-03-17, 07:51 PM   #19
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Definitely clears things up a bit - GCW, same as Gross Train Weight. MAM, Maximum Authorised Mass. Why the hell can they not stick to just one set of terminology? It's no wonder that everybody (including most coppers) are confused by this stuff! Subtract the MAM from the GCW and you should get the Max Permissible Towing Mass (MPTM).

...then this bit from the AA:

"The actual laden weight of the Caravan must be less than its Maximum Technically Permitted Laden Mass (MTPLM), the new term for gross weight shown on the caravan 'weight plate'. The caravan's MTPLM must not be greater than the towing car's Maximum Permissible Towing Mass (MPTW)."

Which puts us right back where we started - the trailer plate may not exceed the car plate!

This is so much rubbish! ...and probably easy to break the law without knowing it - but at least the coppers (with the best will in the world) won't understand the rules either.

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Old 21-03-17, 07:58 PM   #20
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but at least the coppers (with the best will in the world) won't understand the rules either.

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They don't need to understand it, they just write it up as they see it, and let others decide what to do you for.

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