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Old 27-06-16, 10:18 PM   #11
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Thank you for the feedback, I appreciate that Renault electronics may leave some thing to be desired, Land Rover are certainly no better in the reliability stakes ![ regarding electronics ] Suzuki appear to have a reasonably good record for less time off road [in a garage ] than most, I like the look of the vehicle and with a bit of tweaking to the right places [DPF, egr valve, cambelt idler and water pump if needed should result in a competent set of wheels. Trying to find one that is not a million miles away is proving testing.
Oh - I quite agree; I wouldn't buy a Landrover either! I guess my point was that there are a number of very competent Japanese makers who all build their own excellent engines - so why would you buy from a company who can't? But to be fair to Suzuki, I doubt their cars are bugged by French electrics. ...and if you are so sure about Renault engines, see if you can persuade Christian Horner!

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Old 28-06-16, 05:40 AM   #12
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Hmm... My next door neighbour bought a 58 plate grand vitara about three months back, from a dealer, warranted except for consumable items... apparently this included the DPF! After the thick end of 1500 spent on it, he gave up with it, got the engine management system light off for long enough to chop it in and lost another 500 on what he originally paid for it... will check with him and see which engine it had, but it has made me even more determined to buy a series Landover which can actually be mended when it goes wrong!

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Old 28-06-16, 09:26 AM   #13
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nothing wrong with a French engine Martin!

French electronics on the other hand............

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We are looking at a hefty 4k+ bill for our later Trafic.

Water running off the windscreen runs into the head casting depressions where the glow plugs and injectors sit.

Head off to get the injectors out, new injectors about 1k for a set, plus glowplugs.

The top head cover had to be destroyed to get it off, 250+

For some reason the crankshaft had to be reground, and we've had a hire van now for 8 weeks, another 1200, plus an extra three weeks waiting for a power steering hose (damaged by the garage) which is on back order with Renault.

The main dealer declined to do the work, we had to go to a local independent garage to get it sorted.

A new/exchange engine would possibly have been cheaper.

Never buy another Renault. They were so good and did decent mileages, but this rainwater fault was known about but nothing was done by Renault to mitigate the problem.

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Old 28-06-16, 12:08 PM   #14
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Oh - I quite agree; I wouldn't buy a Landrover either! I guess my point was that there are a number of very competent Japanese makers who all build their own excellent engines - so why would you buy from a company who can't? But to be fair to Suzuki, I doubt their cars are bugged by French electrics. ...and if you are so sure about Renault engines, see if you can persuade Christian Horner!

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to name a few,

Nissan, Toyota and Suzuki all use a number of French Designed (and in many cases) built engines.

and as the points drifted, the 3rd Gen Vitara uses a Fiat Diesel.............

Edit, it seems the Fiat didn't stick around long, almost all of the diesel 3rd Gen is Renault F9Q.

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Old 29-06-16, 01:10 PM   #15
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Both!

We are looking at a hefty 4k+ bill for our later Trafic.

Water running off the windscreen runs into the head casting depressions where the glow plugs and injectors sit.

Head off to get the injectors out, new injectors about 1k for a set, plus glowplugs.

The top head cover had to be destroyed to get it off, 250+

For some reason the crankshaft had to be reground, and we've had a hire van now for 8 weeks, another 1200, plus an extra three weeks waiting for a power steering hose (damaged by the garage) which is on back order with Renault.

The main dealer declined to do the work, we had to go to a local independent garage to get it sorted.

A new/exchange engine would possibly have been cheaper.

Never buy another Renault. They were so good and did decent mileages, but this rainwater fault was known about but nothing was done by Renault to mitigate the problem.

Peter


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There is a company/s that specialises in stuck injector removal. As long as the injectors haven't been damaged they can normally get them out with a hydraulic puller and special adaptors. This is done with the head in situ.

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Old 29-06-16, 10:24 PM   #16
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Thank you for your comments, it seems that even major manufacturers are still designing cars that fail in items that should have been sorted out years ago,ie having to remove the dash board[totally] to change a warning light bulb, removing the whole front bumper to change a head light bulb, [2014 model] etc.
A friend with a Volvo had it towed by the AA from the top of Scotland to Volvo main dealer in Glasgow because the AA man called out to replace the headlamp bulb could not do it at the road side after three hours of trying,!! Its time these designers were asked to repair these kind of faults on a consumer programme and see if that might think twice about these unacceptable problems , rant over. I bet you all have heard as bad or worse.Still going to keep looking for a Suzuki Vitara Renault engine included !
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Thank you for your comments, it seems that even major manufacturers are still designing cars that fail in items that should have been sorted out years ago,ie having to remove the dash board[totally] to change a warning light bulb, removing the whole front bumper to change a head light bulb, [2014 model] etc.
A friend with a Volvo had it towed by the AA from the top of Scotland to Volvo main dealer in Glasgow because the AA man called out to replace the headlamp bulb could not do it at the road side after three hours of trying,!! Its time these designers were asked to repair these kind of faults on a consumer programme and see if that might think twice about these unacceptable problems , rant over. I bet you all have heard as bad or worse.Still going to keep looking for a Suzuki Vitara Renault engine included !
Sadly Michael I've had this battle a number of times with design engineers who have never seen an engine let alone put a hand on one. Quality Control continues to improve, and I would say overall the standards have improved over the years, but conversely, the complexity has increased too.

Until EGR is sent the way of the dinosaurs, and manufacturers spec a DPF that can be effectively cleaned on low duty cycles, problems will still crop up, irrespective of manufacturer. Its not entirely the manufacturers fault, the buyers and dealers must share some of the blame, the buyers for wanting diesel engines, in duty cycles for which they are totally inappropriate, and dealers for letting them.

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Buy a JCB fastrac, top speed of around 45mph and a towing capacity of around 26tonnes, problem solved. 😁
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Buy a JCB fastrac, top speed of around 45mph and a towing capacity of around 26tonnes, problem solved. 😁
Cummins B Series too, lovely.
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Cummins B Series too, lovely.
Lot better than a Perkins!!
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