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Old 31-12-12, 06:31 PM   #11
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Waste engine oil has additives which make it unsuitable as a long term DIESEL FUEL REPLACMENT in a diesel engine.
The additives when burnt produce lots of nasties causing high maintance and rapid bore and ring wear.

Just ask some one who has a waste oil burner in a workshop how much carbon and ash they produce.

The lister engine forum and the micro cogen forum only had 2 LONG TERM USERS of wmo as a MAIN FUEL in HIGH concentrations.

Both suffered high maintaince and after 1200 hours both engines suffered bad engine wear.

One of the people was an American with a listeroid,he was Bill swan.
The other was me with a lister som in the uk.

One common mistake is to go on about filtering as this won't make waste engine oil suitable as a diesel fuel.
You CAN'T FILTER OUT ADDITIVES in modern oils at home with out the use of some very expensive industrial filtering processes.

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Old 31-12-12, 08:40 PM   #12
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Yes, a permit is required for a waste oil burner to be operated on commercial premises.
Apply to the local council if the burner is below 0.4MW.
He was using one on a domestic workshop but they still lean't on him.
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Old 31-12-12, 08:43 PM   #13
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When i first started work in a local garage in 1962, they had a sump oil burning workshop heater. The heat this thing gave off was incredible. It was cast iron & stood 7 ft high & by the end of the day it was glowing red. The starting procedure went like this. Get a can of petrol, put a large piece rag in it, put the rag in the heater,turn on the air blast,turn on the oil, put a match in the top & run for your life. It started with a large bang that always shook dirt & dust from the roof. it ran faultlessly all day. In the winter we all coughed up black s*** & it chucked out black smoke through the flue all day.
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Waste engine oil has additives which make it unsuitable as a long term DIESEL FUEL REPLACMENT in a diesel engine.
The additives when burnt produce lots of nasties causing high maintance and rapid bore and ring wear.

One common mistake is to going on about filtering as this won't make waste engine oil suitable as a diesel fuel.
You CAN'T FILTER OUT ADDITIVES.

Cheers
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Interesting. quite a few years ago now some of the oil companies were suggesting that too much filtering of oil, in particularly old used oil would take out the additives plus mucking up the molecular strings in the oil thus rendering the oil unsuitable for further use in engines. i.e. don't try to recycle engine oil by cleaning it and re using it but buy new.
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Waste engine oil has additives which make it unsuitable as a long term DIESEL FUEL REPLACMENT in a diesel engine.
The additives when burnt produce lots of nasties causing high maintance and rapid bore and ring wear.

You CAN'T FILTER OUT ADDITIVES in modern oils at home with out the use of some very expensive industrial filtering processes.
Agreed that filtering out the additives is not an option for small scale users, however this approach would overcome that problem:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UHKY6ONOOts
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great vid, that guy is a champion fettler.

Now i'm a thinking all that shed full of distilation plant into a micro distiller proccessor unit....... wheres that scrap boiler ?


I hope the council don't see this vid, it breaks so many laws they wouldn't know where to start !
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Old 19-01-13, 05:48 PM   #17
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Reading the comments he says 15 litres produces 5 litres out, not a very good ratio
I don't supose that includes the oil burn to heat the process and what exactly is produced,the oil was cracked at the oil refinery when it was crude oil and lubricating oil is no going to produce petrol or diesel.
Good idea, but very time and oil consuming and also dangerous.
It would be nice to see him post a new video with the results of a year of producing the fuel along with a few thousand hours on the lister generator using the fuel before any congratulations are given.
Waste oil has now got a valve and is being bought by companies again like it was a few years ago,so it wont be long before it's no longer a free fuel source.
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Reading the comments he says 15 litres produces 5 litres out, not a very good ratio
I don't supose that includes the oil burn to heat the process and what exactly is produced,the oil was cracked at the oil refinery when it was crude oil and lubricating oil is no going to produce petrol or diesel.
Good idea, but very time and oil consuming and also dangerous.
It would be nice to see him post a new video with the results of a year of producing the fuel along with a few thousand hours on the lister generator using the fuel before any congratulations are given.
Waste oil has now got a valve and is being bought by companies again like it was a few years ago,so it wont be long before it's no longer a free fuel source.
good evening spencer....I saw this video some time ago and have to confess to getting very excited and mildly moist....but the more I look into this,the more I doubt.....surely without some clever engineering and calcs in the refraction tube design,the type of fuel produced is a very unknown commodity...is it diesel,is it kerosene or could it be not far off petrol??...my dilemma is that I've got lots of waste oil from the diggers etc and a freezing cold workshop that's desperate for heat through the winter when the weathers not fit to dig....I was going to go the same route as the video....the som would power the lot and be self fuelling,the workshop would be warm and I'd have spare fuel....not that it would be any use in the newer(common rail) diggers...but I can't help think that I'd be better saving the time,the money(which would be quite considerable,even at this level) and investing in a dedicated oil burner that would still give me "free ish" heat and some satisfaction.....granted I wouldn't be producing fuel....but what,realistically would I dare put it in.....the John deeres,Jcb,and kubota s are a no no which leaves a field Marshall and the lister....both of which use sweet F/A....I'd get more tax relief on a new oil burner than components to build my own and still have an asset that will hold its value...as much as I like the thought(and that bloke is a prize example of what makes Brits great)....I just wonder if its worth the headache,the hassle and the not insignificant risk....
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Latest 100% WMO report: http://www.microcogen.info/index.php...34015#msg34015
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Old 19-01-13, 11:22 PM   #20
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Hi,
Buy your self a waste oil burner and over the years it will save you lots of money on heating.
If you can get free waste engine oils your sorted.

http://listerenginegallery.com/main.php?g2_itemId=4612

Try this link and you will see what Ive got
The Omni is the money saver,more hot water than the average house would need.
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